Parenting Guide
David Benatar – Parenting is a procreational Ponzi scheme
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
It's been a week since I listened to the brilliant exchange between Sam Harris and David Benatar, and I just wanted to say that, even though I think David is 100% right about the quality of life being overwhelmingly negative, and that this negativity is more intense and enduring than the positivity, I remain convinced that there are some inconsistencies with his philosophy.
On his blog, Helian Unbound notes that anti-natalism is built on an inverted morality, in that it takes evolutionary mechanisms that we use to survive (compassion, empathy, and aversion to suffering), both as individuals and as a species, and uses them as the basis to advocate for our self-imposed extinction, which is what these mechanisms are meant to prevent in the first place. Maverick Philosopher has attempted to solve this dilemma, with some success.
I agree with Harris that it's a blatant double standard for Benatar to apply an experiential mode of argumentation for one scenario ("people who aren't born aren't deprived of pleasure") and an abstract, non-experiential mode for the other scenario ("absence of suffering is good even if there's nobody to appreciate it").
I guess Benatar could say that, if it really is a double standard, then we are not justified in our practice of mercy killing when it comes to deformed fetuses or euthanasia for people who wish to end their lives, since the deformed fetus and the depressed person won't benefit. But then all that leaves us with is the option to allow the deformed fetus to be born, to allow the depressed person to go on living against their will, which would of course be experientially bad. It's all very paradoxical. Such is life, I guess.
I also wish to highlight the problems with some of Benatar's most oft-repeated sentiments. "You can't have a child for that child's sake" is true, but it is equally true that you cannot not have a child for that child's sake. "Non-existent people cannot offer consent to being born" is true, but they also cannot withhold consent. And as for his analogy about absent life on other planets, it occurs to me that we aren't constantly rejoicing about the absence of suffering on Mars.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
you right david .
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Fault in Benatar's argument….let's assume people stop having children and humanity goes extinct — but then intelligent life will likely evolve again from the non-sentient life that still survives on earth. Those new beings will again have to go through immense suffering just like our ancestors have to reach the level of our current civilization (which has relatively much lower levels of suffering). So it may be argued that there is actually a moral imperative to better or preserve the current human condition to prevent this from happening.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
If life is overwhelmingly negative, you should kill yourself.
Good thing we won't have to deal with your dumb fucking offspring.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Another counter-point to the people who state, "Well, why don't you kill yourself?" The Antinatalist can say: First, suicide is not easy. It is not simple to obtain the medications or means necessary to follow through. Second, humans are born with this innate strong-will to survive, even if they desperately want to die.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
I admire this David Benatar already.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Ha
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Parenting is a 'procreational Ponzi scheme'
OBVIOUSLY! DUH!!
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
19:02
Christian pronatalists are monsters. Believe in hell, know salvation is required, keep popping out kids anyway.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
what a terribly unsophisticated and naive interviewer
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
It's totally possible for "most people to feel satisfied above average". Most people can't be above the median value, this is true, but he shouldn't say average when he means median. Anyway, minor peeve of mine.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Omg it's a nightmare
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Steven Pinker vs David Benatar would be a good interview, note that Pinker new book mostly optimistic? although Pinker is childless? Hmm….Enlightment Now….in Zen Buddhism the cycle ends with no more reproduction?
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Agree with Benatar's overall idea, but I don't think the conclusions people tend to draw are necessarily true.
There's nothing necessary about pain, and the degree of suffering we have need not be so egregious.
We could fund (radically, massively, like a war) nanotech, biotech, gene editing and therapy research with the goal of indefinitely extending life (for those who want it) and making ourselves asymptotically indestructible. The only suffering that would remain would be, effectively, curiosity. The limits of knowledge are infinite.
This to me is the highest goal, the ideal conception of a conscious state. This would be a real "god."
We do need to stop having children until we can give them this kind of existence. Once one recognizes that bringing a child into being is a death sentence for that child, and an unknowable amount of suffering – and once one realizes that morality is about unnecessary suffering vs. well-being, it becomes (as in my case) impossible to reconcile having children.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Yall motherfuckers need Nietzsche
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
No the system we live in is affliction, clearly you have a lot of homework to do buddy. And i pitty your mother for putting you on this earth.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
"circle of life" !! That makes my blood boil. He condones all the suffering that especially some people will go through because it's part of "the circle of life" !! I wonder how he'd feel if he was born with no hands or legs, blind, or born with a genetic problem. I wonder how'd he feel if his children were slaughtered in front of him in some conflict or war. I wonder if telling him well, it's "the circle of life", or "well, this is life", would actually make all the suffering and sadness go away. I wonder if we told a hungry orphaned child in Africa it's ok, it's the "circle of lie" and you just have to live with it….
But yeah, it's easy for idiots like the interviewer to say stupid shit like this because they're not the ones suffering, at least not yet.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
I think life is all about feelings for instance I could be in a prison cell if I shoot heroin in my arms I might feel better than a millionaire despite the fact I'm in prison logically anyone with a brain can break down why I should feel worse but logic doesn't matter it's all about feelings
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
The First Noble Truth in Buddhism: Life is suffering.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
A very stupid interviewer….totally full of optimism bias,….and all very patronizing. He is an idiot….it is not pessimism…but brutal frank honesty
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
I'm saving heroin for when the going gets rough.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
I'm 62, it's not going to get better, and potentially it's going to be very bad indeed. Given the global dimming scenario, the sensible thing to do is plan a peaceful death, not with a view of putting that plan into action, but with the comfort of knowing it's there.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
I agree with him 100%.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Parenting is actually much worse than a ponzi scheme. Deconstruct it down to its roots and it turns out to be nothing more than exploitative animal husbandry.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Life's an itch we occasionally get to scratch.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
In Month Python's 'Life of Brian' the song at the end when the criminal is on the cross he sings "When you think of it, life's a piece of shit."
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
This experience we call Life is nothing but a cruel demonic experiment. It's like a really strenuous physical and emotional examination.
Actually CHOSING to bring children into this experiment is tantamount to child abuse.
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387
Both choices, to breed or not to breed, are selfish, they are both made by the chooser, for their own benefit and interests. I prefer not to breed and do my best to fulfill my own desires while doing the least amount of harm, rather than breed another human and bring them into suffering, making them suffer, and myself suffer, having to care for another person in addition to myself for the rest of my life. Breeding is just nonsensical and self sabotaging, and as already stated, harmful to the bred, who couldn't give consent. Round and round it goes on and on and on and on
Deprecated: Function get_magic_quotes_gpc() is deprecated in /home2/parenuq5/public_html/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 4387